Ep 88: 2022 Year In Review

Let’s celebrate a fantastic year of podcasting for the Aligned Birth Podcast!!  Doula Rachael and Dr. Shannon chat about their 2022 stats including: 5,716 total downloads……..12 guest interviews……..and the top episodes of all time.  They also mention their top 3 favorite episodes of 2022 and give a little insight into why those are their favorites.  They have each learned so much from this podcast journey.  From the fact that teamwork makes the dreamwork, to stepping out of their comfort zones, to the realization that success doesn’t happen overnight, but that each step forward brings them so much closer to reaching more and more expectant families…….it’s been a year.  And they can’t wait for what’s in store for 2023.  

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Hello, this is the aligned birth podcast. I am Dr. Shannon one of the host doula Rachel is here as well and she is also one of the host and together we are the team of the aligned birth Podcast. Today is the fun year in review of 2022. I didn't mean to do that, but that sounds awesome.

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I know right?

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Um, I'm so excited about this. We had a phenomenal 2022 And so you want to really dive through all the stats. And in case do people want to know like, what are the most popular episodes what are people talking about what has been kind of the driving force of some of the massive amount of downloads we had, I think it's pretty massive. So we're gonna go into how many interviews we had our top episodes. Also we each Rachel and I have our like top three episodes. I had a hard time coming up with just three I was kind of playing around with ways that I could put more in but make it still three anyways.

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But our top three episodes and then what we've learned, and it kind of applies to

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like, yes, what we've learned with doing this podcast, yes, we started in the mid of 2021. So like may so you know, it's been almost two years. So what we've learned, but then how that can what we've learned with the podcast has also translated into how we run our businesses, I guess how we parent our friends, our lives all the fun things.

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Hello, and welcome to the aligned birth podcast. We are so glad you're here. I'm Dr. Shannon of prenatal chiropractic.

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And I'm Rachel a birth doula and childbirth educator and we are the team behind the aligned birth podcast.

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Between us we have experienced as a Syrian birth, a VBAC, hospital birth and a home birth, our personal experiences where we are today we share a lot in common.

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We are friends from high school who reconnected through our work. We both changed career paths after the birth of our own children. We light up when talking about health and birth, and we are both moms to two young boys.

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This podcast was created to share conversations and interviews about topics from pregnancy and birth to motherhood and the importance of a healthy body and mind through it all. Our goal is to bring you fun, interesting and helpful conversations that excite you and make you want to learn more.

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We believe that when you are aligned and body, mind and your intuition you can conquer anything. We hope you enjoyed the episode

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so hurray for our Year in Review. I'm so excited to see you and talk to you today. Rachel,

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I know same Shana. This is so fun, funny how many times we have recorded not on video. And today that's a good time and today are on video. I'm gonna be doing more video and hopes to share in two ways so we will be moving towards hopefully sharing more video at the podcast maybe on YouTube. And and then obviously, keep doing the normal podcast. But I think it's fun. I'm excited and looking through our stuff from 2022. You know, when you're in it and you're doing it and you're focused, like we tweak and just sort of like you're we're usually just looking like a few episodes out at a time. When you're able to look back at what we've done. It feels really good. And I'm so proud of us.

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Yes. Hello. I know exactly. Pat's on the back so proud of us. Well, you know, it was funny to me is that when I wrote out well, who are the interviews that we had, we had 12 guests, but that wasn't where I was like, we need to have a guest a month like we both weren't like this and it was like oh, look at that nice little flow right there how that guy would have equaled about a one

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a month. Yeah, and some really great folks that we had on and so

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we did a couple of things like with you know, with Hannah, we had your partner with North Atlanta birth on and so we had like the doula talk and then her birth story and so some of them like Dr. Dr. Ashley Harper, we were able to have that thing, the same thing because it was a little bit. We do try to keep the episodes into something that's mentally digestible. And so I feel like sometimes over an hour or something like that, it can start to be like, who has a big chunk of time like that? So yeah, we try to keep it to an hour but then if you really some of those verse stories like you want to get into all the birth stories, they really deserve the time and the space to unfold everything.

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So and we're talking to a lot of birth workers adjacent right like chiropractors, pelvic floor therapist, chiropractic chiropractors, you did but, folks, I think a pillar for therapists, massage therapists, the tummy time therapists, like you know, they have mental health, right? Physical Fitness like they all these providers have a birth story, for the most part right? There were there was one I think chiropractor who was the man and he didn't have a birth story, but everyone else almost always like it weaves in. It's like weaving into how they came into birth work or how it's impacted their birth work. Which I love. I'm like, I want to hear that part too. So that's why it's splitting it into two and getting the birth story and then getting the business side of it in there to kind of how they're helping work people are the people is, I think, sweet.

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I know and I feel like sometimes hearing a birth story from a professional is different than hearing a birth story from and sue for your good friend Mindy, because maybe there's different there's tactful ways to go through it. There's a way to spread information and knowledge and love but without like scare aspects of things. Not that everybody shares the birth story like that. But um, so I think birth professionals have a way to mesh it and say, Hey, this is what I've learned. At least that's what I tried to do. You know, and I know that's what you tried to do too. But even when the birth stories that we had because we had Sarah on we had just got on. I thought we had another one. Maybe not maybe it was just because it was Han and everybody else that had their birthday. We had those Oh, because we just had Bailey but Bailey was she was this year. That is going to come out but yeah, that did came on. So yeah, so but it wasn't 2023 So that's kind of the count. Maybe what's not next year, but those are stories. We kind of Yeah, we let mom unfolding tell the story, but it was also kind of like, what was the goal and the purpose of telling the story? Right? Oh, yeah, what are spread fear or to be like this is how tough it was. Sometimes I feel like anyways, we should do a whole thing. There's just

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always like nuggets of wisdom in there when, when we and I think offering birth stories and that's something that we want to do more of this year. First stories from our clients and people we know and then birth stories from birth professionals and because we want to have that positive, you know, share information share about challenges face, but how they're overcome, and then the tools and resources and support used to get through it. And that's what we want to promote. And it's there's no one better to learn from them, people who've gone through it. And so just trying to facilitate more of that I love and then just sharing all about all the different birth professionals that can help you along your birthing journey. And that's what I love is like if we've had a good variety of birth professional sharing their knowledge and wisdom, and it's like, oh, who knew like that this was a thing. Like I think one of our top episodes was about tummy time. Like, who knew

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and that there's resources out there. That's, you know, and people with the expertise in those fields.

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Well, yeah, that means that be exposed to it. Yeah, we use that time to say as a reminder to with all of our episodes, we put a lot of notes in the episode description. And so like links to the people's websites, links to articles where we've learned more information, links to resources that we provide or to provide in relation to each episode that we do. So just a reminder for people to if you want to go further with it to always check out those notes.

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Yeah, now any it's there's a lot lots of resources and information that we put in there. I know. I love the professionals that we had on there, but Yeah, can we time was one of our top ones that was with the show and manual that was episode 75. And that was a lot of these people too. We've reached out ourselves, you know, now we've got some people with the traction and the popularity of the of the show. I think we have some traction of people also kind of finding us and wanting to be on the show, which is kind of fun too. But also it's just like we have a whole we have a lot of behind the scenes, you know, Google share drives and Excel files, Word documents, but we have one where it's kind of like it okay, here's our running list of who are some of the other folks that we want to talk to so we're

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always working on bringing in bringing great guests on. So yeah, that's definitely a driving force in what we're doing.

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And I like having because we've had two pelvic floor therapist and I have like another one that I have in mind that I would like to have on the show. Like I like having a variety of professionals and there's been several chiropractors that I've interviewed on the show as well, too. Like, I like having that variety, that perspective because they'll maybe say something differently. That resonates with someone whereas you know, and that's kind of not it's like hearing the same information but in different in different forms and different words. And that can also, you know, help people as far as understanding Oh, this is what this professional does. Maybe I've heard it before but hearing it

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talking to other doulas and stuff I feel the same way. Same way. They're always like I'm more used to just geek out together.

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The Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. I love geeking out. That's what we usually say on their shows too. I'm like, okay, we can kick out now. That's fine. Yeah,

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yeah. free rein. Let's go. Well, we can do a quick rundown of some of our stats for the year for those who are interested. So we were in the top 50% of all shows, which may not feel like a big deal to anybody. You know, some of them I want to say they want to be in the top 3% or top 10% or something like that. Of course that's one day will be the case but for us for you know, I think with podcasting one of the biggest hurdles is just doing it consistently. And doing it every whatever you set out to do every week or twice a week or once every other week, but we were like once a week is doable, and we've done it and so I think that's helping us kind of inch up in in our ranking. So super proud of us for holding that down and I didn't even

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like have that as a goal like in being a certain percentage of shit you know, like,

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like, I want to go where I wanted to, like, not stop because it was hard or because we weren't getting a lot of downloads like the whole thing was like you just have to keep going even if you're not seeing the fruits of your labor and that was some advice we got somewhere or that we read as we were learning about this process. And in order to be in the top. You've got to be doing it consistently. You've got to have certain number of downloads, like you've got to be doing it. So I was not an intention. I was like, Oh, we're gonna do this many episodes, honestly. But I knew I just wanted to keep moving forward and that's what we've done and now we have a total of about 7500 downloads. And in 2022 We got about 5700 of those. But just even since the close of the year, it feels like there's been a pretty big jump had

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almost 2000 downloads already.

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Yeah, so definitely fun to see that. I mean that we 7500 People have taken the time to listen to us, put us in their ears, and hopefully have a takeaway and that for me is like you know better than anything I ever put on social media like in a post or a Facebook something or other like knowing that someone took the time and listened to us and that that is a gift to live on. Like we see sometimes older episodes getting, you know, more downloads in a week because someone has helped in there and, you know, they're, they share it. Yeah, it's always there. It's always there like you can go there and see the whole list of all 86 episodes 86 episodes. Pregnancy postpartum motherhood CareCredit like I just love it. I love it and we had so obviously we had 52 episodes and 2022 which means we consistently did one a week. And then we had about 43 hours again, like 43 hours of episode delivery. He like put to the world. Like I don't know where I just think that's so cool. Yeah, you kind of want to it's put into that way. I mean, I know we're doing it, but it's like, okay, wow, wow. Yeah,

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it feels different. I know. They were in 40 different countries. Oh, yeah. That was kind of fun. That's

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wild. I think Germany was one of the top ones like the UK obviously the US, Canada, Germany, Australia. I tried to get the top five I had it up here. That's

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fine. I didn't even look at that. I didn't like look at the breakdown of the of the countries. Oh, and

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in the United States. It's we got a lot obviously several Georgia cities holding us down but San Diego out of nowhere is one of our top four cities and in listenership but yeah, okay. Yeah, I was right. United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and Germany. There we go. I have a friend who lives in London and I'm like, It's

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all her year. Yeah. Do I have like do I know someone in Germany and that's them?

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Yeah, so and then we can do a quick overview of like top five or even top 10 episodes just to kind of share a little bit about what has had some traction this year.

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Yeah, definitely. So um, top episode and we've mentioned this before that was coming time. So we did that with Tammy time. Method creator and founder Michelle Emmanuelle and I found her reached out to her on Instagram and stuff and we had a wonderful interview, but that was I wanted to do that when we were big because when working with my postpartum moms and when they come in the office and then a lot of times we're talking about or you know newborns getting adjusted those type of things we're talking about I always like I say like, okay, these are your at home activities, you know, be with your baby cuddled with your babies like those type of things like things to kind of help moms say like, Okay, this is actually beneficial. It's not just like oh my gosh, this is a task or I'm surviving the day or something like that. It's kind of like, oh, look, this is you know, maybe flipping the script a bit on like that mentality with it, but I like to give them at home things, but a lot of times tummy time is what I would hear would be like, Oh, they hate tummy time, or I don't really see the point of it or you know, those type of things. So it's like, it is really important developmentally. And so I had a really good time on that interview with Michelle. I think we had she had some really good like nuggets of information to kind of show the importance of tummy time too. So that was really, that almost made it with my list of my top three.

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Yeah, and there's lots of resources in the Episode Notes. I was just looking that over about, you know, why tummy time is important. Common Issues.

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Yeah, and she gave lots of tips or you know, things too, and I learned a lot from her too. So that ways that I could communicate with patients to to say like, Okay, this is why we need to do it and what does it you know, what does it look like? For for little ones. Let's see our next one was signs of labor. Signs of labor.

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That was that was one that I did. So low. Love, love, love talking about signs of labor. It is something that comes up all the time with our clients. So we're talking about almost always at a minimum at each of our appointments. So we've seen them for their first prenatal and then later on for their second prenatal and it comes up even more so at the second prenatal if they haven't done childbirth education, which we encourage all of our clients to do. And I'm, I'm a Lamaze childbirth educator. And so signs of flavor is something that is we go over it a lot and people just sort of under you know, they think it's only going to be like the water breaking or, you know, just the contractions happening in a certain way. And I think there's always other things happening and going on inside of your body. And it's a big warm up process that takes some time for most people. And so I love talking about that. I love that that was one of our top episodes.

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And I get asked that a lot as well too. You know, like when working with moms and that's fine a little bit and so I think it's important for them to be knowledgeable too as far as understanding those things. Because that gives you a little bit of peace and comfort. You know, as far as like, oh yeah, my body is prepping, it's getting ready. But these are things I always whenever you and I bounce ideas off of each other like show episodes, I'm always like stages of labor or signs of labor or things like that. For I'm like, oh, let's talk about that. And that's something really good that I think you as a doula can talk about in childbirth educator because that's a big part, you know, of what you do and also needing to read those signs to know when to go and help and be and be the doula but I just know that's a very common, a common thing. A common question that comes up in the office is spoke to

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Well, yeah, and the other part of the episode was how labor progresses. And I think that was the other thing that I really enjoy getting into is, you know, the six ways that labor progresses and what's happening inside of your body that a lot of people don't understand and know what that looks or feels like and sometimes things are happening that you don't even know what it feels like. And so that's the other part of that episode is like, okay, what are signs that your body is preparing for labor or the labor might be starting? And then how does it progress because a lot of people are like, Alright, once I'm in labor game on, let's go. And it's like, well, there's a lot of things that has to happen on your cervix goes from being posterior to anterior it gets softer, it gets thinner, it dilates, the baby moves further down the pelvis, like so many things are happening. And so as you learn more about that it sort of helps more people be at ease during the early parts of labor. At least.

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Yeah, definitely. Right now. Let's see number three was pediatric chiropractic care cranial adjusting. That was an interview with Dr. Martin Rosen. And so he's a pediatric chiropractic guru. I'll call him I learned from him and did his training that he when he was associate with the icpa International chiropractic Pediatric Association and now he has piqued potential and he does all of this training for chiropractors and learning pediatric chiropractic care and cranial specific adjusting techniques, because there is a lot that goes into it, especially with like pediatric schools, but I thought his interview was good. He's from he's from Boston. So he talks real fast and he talks a lot and it's like, it was so good there were so high. That one was hard to do because I was I write a lot of notes when I'm doing like interviews or something like that or even when we're talking like I tried to write notes because I'm trying to listen and be an active participant. But I also like I want to come back to something but if I can't write that down right now then I'm gonna like lose everything and then I don't know what's going on. So we had a lot of information in that show. We had a lot of information in that show. And so I think part two was he had a book that they had him and his wife had published recently and it was more so for parents and kind of understanding. What is common? What is normal? What's the difference? Because you hear a lot of things well, yeah, just just because it says common doesn't mean that that is normal physiology. And so I hear that a lot with sometimes even from the medical community in, you know, pediatric or pediatrician visits or something like that. And it's like, oh, well, this is just it's this is a common thing we have to deal with. This is how we you know, deal with it. And it could be well this is just not normal function. So maybe look at it differently. So that was the that was kind of the big part of the show was really wearing

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out down the book right

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and kind of going through and giving parents a little bit of insight to more and like pet shape and why head shape is so important and how the brain develops and the first two years I mean, it was just really, really good. So that was a lot of fun. That was Yeah,

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I like listening to him talk about kind of what the baby goes through in the birth process, right like even in a non traumatic non eventful birth, like the baby's head and body so goes through a lot to kind of understanding that so that you can give them the support and care they need afterwards, so that they can function optimally, right? I love that I so I obviously wasn't part of that interview, but I always listened to your interviews. After they go out and that one was a really really good one.

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Yeah, I know. I enjoyed that one a lot. I'm thankful that he was on the show. Let's see this next one. Okay, this next one actually made it into my top three list, but I'll maybe I'll maybe I'll leave my thoughts for tomorrow we go into those little men and we can save

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it. You can still share what Yeah, so number four,

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it was episode 55. It's tips for optimal fetal positioning. So yeah, that was one that you and I did together. We had a really good time with that one. Yeah. So yeah, you want to chat about we can chat about that. One in a minute. You get one where we get more in depth. Yeah. Oh, and you shout out of one of these is one of your top ones too. Let's see. The next one was episode 49. This was common pregnancy discomforts and remedies. I believe. Yeah, we had the remedies on there too. So it was a really good one. That I know you probably get asked that a lot too. But I get asked that a lot. Lots of heartburn. Lots of you know,

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go miniguns Come on, but they come right and then so many questions about like what is quote unquote normal, what is saying what is healthy, what do I do? And you know what, how do I address these things? So I really because that isn't a common one that both of us experience with our clients. And even if you just do like some simple research and look out there, like what are topics that pregnant people birthing people are most interested in and usually revolving around discovering really well, what's happening like I'm having this pain, this sensation, I'm feeling a certain way, like what's going on and what can I do about it? So I've definitely enjoyed that. And that was number 49. And lots of additional resources provided Yeah, in that episode.

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Yes. So and that's, again, shout out to our show notes, because really, there's so much on the wall. You know, we've tried to be cognizant and link to everything that we talked about just to make it a lot easier. So even if we're talking about something, it's like, okay, let's link to that. But the our sixth most popular was episode 24. I did I pull these as far as top episodes of all time, I feel like I did, but 24 had to have been in the first it was

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in 2021. Yeah, so

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I think I just thought okay, but this one, this is a good one comfort during labor was this year. This was a solo. Like, wasn't it? Yeah, I think it was. Yeah. comfort during your labor. That's so good. Because that's the next thing. It's like, okay, I'm uncomfortable. I have aches and pains. What is labor gonna look like when it starts what are the stages of labor and then comfort during labor? Like so that's like, what do I do

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right like, and, and so like heart it's ambiguous if you've never given birth before. So you know, trying to paint the picture and trying to help people be this like firm but flexible, like, approach so that like because you got it like you can't guarantee how you're gonna feel and you can't prepare in a very specific way for how it's going to go. But you still need to gain knowledge and practice and support for how to achieve comfort during labor because for most people, it takes a day or so or longer, you know, it's very, very intense your body is expanding and opening up and the baby is coming down and out and and your birthing a human. And so if you even if you desire to have, like an epidural or unmedicated birth, or you know you want to go unmedicated still really important, like either way because even if you know you want an epidural you still early labor still happens and you can get into labor, get to the hospital, wait for the epidural so there's still time and so that suffering doesn't come in and so that trauma doesn't come in as far as how you are experiencing it. Having some tools for coping with the intensity of the surges is really helpful no matter what kind of birth you're having. So obviously, I'm a proponent of learning about this because it's just kind of being more tuned in with what helps you feel good when you're not feeling good, and then practicing those things and then bringing that into the birth space.

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You know, and that's why I wanted I'm so glad you did that episode though. Because I know I share that with a lot of moms as well too. But and letting you not feel maybe so helpless or like out of control or like this is something that's happening to me you can be like the active participant when it's kind of like okay, I have these tools in my tool belt that I

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absolutely that is 100% it is is you've got to have the tools and you got to say okay, movement, breath work, vocalization, and then doing a bunch of different things within those things, right. And we don't, especially as a doula, like I'm not telling you exactly what to do. It's like you gotta listen to your body and do what feels good to you. But keep those three main things in mind and then of course, plays a big role too. But, yeah, I think that's a popular one with people when they're preparing for pregnancy because so many people fear the pain, like what I do here, and that's normal, like that feeling oh, yeah, normal. But let's bring that fear down by learning more about what you can do and how strong and capable you are.

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You are yay. Yes, yes, yes. Episode 54 was number seven out of our episodes of all time, this was navigating the final weeks of pregnancy. This is another good one. Because I think it goes right in line with what we've already said as far as like understanding stages of labor and comfort during labor and what does it feel like and signs of it and I am 41 weeks and I'm still pregnant. Like you get that you know, you get that a lot. So it's I like this one in bringing peace and I one of my favorite things you always say is you can't walk that baby out. It's kind of like that internalized like what can we do to come in? I'll want to talk to my moms I'm like, so what birth affirmations are really speaking to you and how can you come up with what you liked the most and that's more of like, being a little bit more Zen and calm and navigating those final weeks. It can be tough.

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Yeah. Oh no, we get like our communication with our clients.

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picks up a lot between 3839 4041 weeks of pregnancy because you're nearing the end it's a mix of emotions excited ready? Also not ready like like equally like super excited want to meet their baby but oh my gosh I still have a lot of work to do or oh my gosh I'm just not ready yet whatever there's like a whole range and then there's the in the discomfort can take up during this time like I'm not sleeping as well. My back's hurting a little bit more like I'm not able to move in the way I want to or, you know so many things that we hear about and then they're seeing their provider more often. So there's a lot of questions coming up because the provider might be doing or saying things that are, you know, they're just increasing their like concern about how it's gonna go, you know, or that there's going to be interventions or anything like that. So navigating all those things, the interpregnancy lays people in a bit of limbo, and it is you are literally in between two worlds and that's you know, what Limbo is, and you're between becoming a mother for the first time or, again, and it's still this brand new experience, even if you've done it before. And you're you know, savoring your relate time with your husband, if it's just you two are with your other children. And so you're just sort of like, caught in between. And so we're all about approaching it as the mind but with the mind and the body. Like integrate it together. So you know, affirmations, lots of self care lots of time and spaces where you can release tension and take a few deep breaths. So we're like, you know, get in the tub. Get some music going, get your sense, get your oils going like or get a massage or just like go go for a walk that feels good to you. But Don't exhaust yourself with trying to get the labor going. Like that is what that's the antithesis of what we talked about in this episode. And, and there's lots of things you can do sort of in the towards the end of pregnancy to help prime the body as best you can. But it's not about like getting labor going. It's just about embracing the time focusing on your mental health, focusing on connections with your loved ones, and just embracing that it will not be forever even though it feels like it's going to end and but it doesn't that feeling as real. I've been there. I went to 40 Twice. Like I know that feeling even if I intellectually know that it's going to end it's still very hard. So I like to we affirm that with everybody. And we're not here to say oh, like oh, this is tough. This is tough. It's tough and but you can do it. It's so bad episode now.

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That's a good one. I know. And I'm glad that's one of our I'm glad that's one of our top ones. Let's see. Number eight on our list was episode 48 This is what to pack in your hospital bag. This was good, because then we just kept going and we have such backup now but like, we just kept going and like oh yeah, well, we thought about this because I mean, I remember mentioning stuff with my arborist. We we each had very different births. We each had a hospital birth, but then you had a home birth. I had a C section birth and a B back birth. So I was there. Oh my gosh. So my kid just turned my C section baby just turned 13 what at the time of recording this. He just turned 13 I have a teenager. You're supposed to say you can't be bad. I'm just kidding.

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I know, right? There's no way

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but I had a lot of I don't know how to let a few and yesterday they were all really good. But like I was just really freaking excited. Like, I don't know, he's fun. It's neat. I have a teenager. This is a fun little morning I was like by hormones because he had just turned into a little gruff, but I was like, but oh no, no, I was fine with the C section birth but we were in the hospital for five days with him. Right and I was not prepared. So not that I want everybody to prepare to be there for five days. However, it was also like, you know, my husband had to go back to the house a bit. He was sleeping like crap and he was living off hospital. So it was just all of the things there that it was interesting. Like what can you do to take care of your partner that's there to write can't have your partner like, asked about before. As you know,

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we went through both of your pillows in the car, both of your mind gets in the car, both of your favorite shoes and like you know, you don't have to bring it all in but at least it can be there in case Yeah,

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I think that was I think that's why I like that. One is that we kind of covered lots of different once we got going and once we actually when we were making our outline online because we do we're organized now and we have like outlines for each episode. So we stay on topic. And so we actually cover everything that we want to talk about. And that outline was really good. I was like, Oh, this is this is nice. So that one that was a fun one to do. Because again, you get asked that a lot. You know it's essential. What do you really need? And I think we even talked about, well, there was some homebirths stuff on there as well though to not necessarily what to pack in your bag but like kind of ways to have Yeah, what's your house?

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Yeah, yeah, covered it off. That was it. I think that's another common question I get people are like, never done this before. What do I take? What do I not take? What matters? What doesn't matter?

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I know I'm still I'm in my closet as we record and there's the robe over here that I bought for when I was pregnant with my first and so I remember walking in the hall like laboring in that room. I'm like I still have that room. Nice. Speaking of still having that robe. Because next up was number nine on our list was homebirth wife Rachel Hart, and she recently got some video spreadsheet squared that ratty comfy robe and I love it. I love her. That's awesome. Number nine I've lived in a thread for like the past two years because she does them to new little ones. Yeah, since we last. No. When did we have her on? Yeah, it was an update between the two ugly impossible. Yeah, but her from birth midwife, Rachel Hart with birthing way we had her

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on to be in 2021 Two that was that was

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one of our early ones. Yeah. So this is our all time list. That was a great one because we both interviewed

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her and she was my midwife and your midwife. She was just like, bonkers and because of wisdom and knowledge that she just like she can't even help it come out and even the episode admits like sometimes I catch myself off guard talking about her like she catches herself off guard, like kind of you get caught up in the mundane and then all of a sudden start talking about it, which happens to her every probably single day. And then all of a sudden it's just spewing out of you and she's like, this is why I keep doing it because it's like I've got all this stuff I need to share and that I know and that can help people and

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yeah, she's like compelled like this is she has to she can't keep that and she has to share so that was really good. So that was going through the specifics of home birth midwifery. Why home birth, what it looks like. And what at the time this episode is coming out. We've already had some other January episodes from 2023 Come out. And so one of them. We did Dr. Bailey White, who was a chiropractor and so she had to Humber so it was nice to to have a mum on finally and talk about some some home birth things and because the prep looks a little bit different, obviously. I mean, things look a lot different. So it's nice to hear from home birth midwife to kind of get a feel for what that means and what that looks like.

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It's so insightful, I think. Yeah. Anytime you just listen to homework, my wife share in the way that she shared or have a conversation with one for most people. It's very enlightening and it opened a lot of people's eyes. That's what we always encourage with just have a conversation. Just do a console if you're all curious in it. Have a conversation and nine times 9.9 times out of 10 there was like I didn't know it can be like that. Right? Like okay, that podcast a little bit of a peek into that potential

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and number 10 of our episodes of all time, Episode 65 And this was

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also one of your top favorite all about

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gentle induction. Yeah, it was one of my is one of my favorites. So we can go into that go into our Favorites page. That way I didn't plan that either. Just because it starts to flow because um, all right, so I have my top three episodes. I'll do my first one here, which we just talked about. So episode 65. It was how to have a gentle induction. This was one of my favorites because it was a topic that I was not well versed. In. This is not something I go over a lot in the office. I mean other other prenatal chiropractors might but I'm typically not there at the birth, especially if it's a hospital birth and we're doing you know we have that induction. I may see mom a little bit more at the end of pregnancy if we're if the words are being spoken about general induction we want to maybe come in two times a week and just really make sure everything is balanced align and nervous system is functioning well because there are so many changes in those last two weeks you know, last trimester ultimately but i That's why I like this one so much is because I learned a lot like I really didn't and so now with my mom's I just had one the other day and I was like, Okay, your providers talking about induction and I told him I was like, You know what, it doesn't mean you're going to end up with this horrible cascade of events and you're going to end up with a totally medicalized. That's word birth. So I wanted to give pieces like you can have an induction it can be gentle, and it can just be the induction and you can still have your natural birth you can still have, you know, that what you had in mind. And so I like that because I think it's not saying like, every induction is necessary. Looking at the whys. I think I wrote on here using the brain acronym. I've talked about that a lot in the office and I tell them to go listen to you talk about it, Rachel, because that's, I want because you explained it a lot better and I always forget part of the acronym sorry. I have to be in the car and then I end the end and I lose the egg in the middle. But um I like using that and then coming back to that gentle induction and asking those questions and advocating for yourself and that's what we go over. Now. I'm able to go over that in the opposite moms and now I can say okay, well listen to this episode. And maybe it brings some ease and some peace and to understanding that it's not just we're going to do this and letting him say ABCDE this is how it's gonna go. It's asking that I think it's a little bit more of asking the question, so yes, how to have the gentle induction I

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just really liked that one a lot.

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No I love it. And I feel like I've evolved a lot on the induction conversation in my years of being a doula. I feel like a lot of people and doulas especially newer ones fear or their anti induction of like that, that is like evil and that there's that they're all bad. And I while I know and and necessary inductions are the problem, not inductions. And so it's

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kind of like our due dates and holidays episode. It's like, are we looking at unnecessary induction? Yeah, right.

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You want to avoid the unnecessary induction and so for us with our clients when we talk to them about this, a lot of them be like alright, how do I want the induction because they've heard all the horror stories that brands got induced, it was forever long and turned into things they didn't want. Like there's so many stories out there. That tends to be what people hear. So they come to us and they're like, Okay, I've got this fear about being induced, and we're like, okay, let's tell us more. About that. What are you? What are you scared of? What are you fearing? And then we we paint that picture for them. We're like, here's how you do it. You have to advocate for yourself by asking the brain questions, the benefits, risks, alternatives, intuition, and now are nothing and you ask those questions of your provider at every stage that things are coming up and, and to kind of suss out. Okay, is this does this is this truly necessary? Can I get another day? Can we keep monitoring closely? Like what are my options here? You don't have to decline it full out because there are some truly medical reasons and indications for induction. So you know, it's all works. If you've hired you'd have a doctor or midwife and you've chosen a birth location like you're working with this team. So make the most of it right, like, extract as much information as you can about the reason for the recommendation and see what your options are within that and then if you if it's determined you need it. Then we have walk you through and this is what the bulk of this episode is about is about what is a gentle induction look like? And some people might say that's like, an oxymoron or some sort of impossible thing but it can be done gently and slowly and giving your body the best chance it can to to mimic real labor and to warm up and then and kind of jump in and hopefully jump it on its own and we see that a lot with this approach. And the the ticket there. The key there is really allowing as much time as possible for the early part of labor. So the softening of the cervix and the thinning of the cervix and that takes time. And so again, with our with when we're talking to our clients, we're like prepare for a long induction because if it's, for some people, if you're like, your body isn't showing any signs of labor, then you need to prepare and when they go in with that mindset, and they look at it this way is like okay, this doesn't have to be so scary. And I can ask questions along the way, pick the route that's best for me work as a team with my provider member support team, not as like they're in there telling me that I have to do X, Y and Z when I don't want to do it and it's it sounds all scary and fear mongering so it's just putting the onus and the autonomy back on the birthing person's hands where it belongs. And so that the conversation with the gentle induction is a little bit of a flipping of the script, which I like when we are able to do that. Then we don't have to be scared of every aspect of medical intervention. It's understanding using it judiciously.

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Exactly.

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I know and that's I think that's why I liked that one so much. Yes.

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Let's see. Do you want me to go and do my next two? I'm gonna do my three or do you want to jump in?

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We can alternate How about with alternating? Yeah,

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let's see what you got.

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Alright, so the My Favorite maybe because it's more recent is episode number 80 with Caitlyn McGregor's be her village. So, that one totally took me by surprise. Because I wasn't familiar with her. I was a little bit familiar with the her village but not you know, I knew we were sort of adjacent in the birthing community as far as what they were doing what we were doing, but Oh, my goodness, getting to know her meeting her like the energy that was exchanged. And the other cool thing about that episode is, is we've done lots of interviews, you've done lots of interviews, but most of them have been done without video. And for whatever reason, we were called to we just felt like we were like, Let's turn on video for this and think it'll make a difference. And we did and was all three of us on Zoom. And I think that made a huge difference. It was very just the word magical comes to mind when describing that conversation just like the fire that she has for what she's building with the her village and how she really cares so much about genuinely changing the way people are investing in themselves or in others who are pregnant or giving birth or postpartum and trying to choose less things and more support because truly, that's what we need and so hearing the way she talked about it just like pay me to my core and I started we aligned a lot and since then have had actually multiple conversations and now we're in cahoots with each other a little bit and trying to move things forward with with changing the landscape. of, of, you know, consumerism around yeah,

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and then I love that episode too. That was fun because she it was again too We both didn't have weren't familiar with who she was a lot of the interviews it's I'm reaching out to people that I know or it's sometimes not but um, you know, sometimes I ended up Do you know, knowing someone so this was someone that had kind of reached out and was like, this was perfect, so and it was so good. I know. And that whole episode was all about looking at the differences in like gift registries and what do we really need or support and ways that you can actually support someone who's about to give birth but like in a meaningful way, as far as maybe looking at doula support or postpartum doula support or helping them have the birth experience that they desire you know, instead of just getting

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items for newborn for baby, those types of things. And so

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I don't know very, very impactful, very informative, and I love that you guys have, like have stayed connected and being able to like continue the conversation. So yeah,

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yeah. Well, I'm thankful so much and I'm actually participating in their gift registry expert certification right now, as a class. And me and two of our other team team members are doing a one with a cohort of people. And because while she is all about, like, funding and providing support for services around birth support, she's also like people do still need some things right? So it's, it's kind of being trained in like, there's a lot of things there's a lot of things and consumerism is a thing and like the marketing and my trend to it all tells you it's gonna make it easier. It's gonna make your baby not cry, go make your baby sleep, it's gonna make you more comfortable like and it's hard to know what's actually what, and they're rooted in the research and the evidence. I'm super super excited because this is something art my clients ask us a lot as far as like, what do you recommend for x y? And Z? And I've always been a little bit hesitant because I'm like, I don't I don't spend a lot of my time in that area. Even I feel like people trust us. They've hired us there. They would take our guidance. So I'm equipping myself now with the tools and resources to better guide them. And it's all about what are your goals? What what do you want for the birthing person or the newly new mom like and then how can we support you in getting there and then having like, Okay, this is this is known to be safe and this has been recently recalled or like really working through like, for the baby items. What is safe? What do you really need?

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What worms are excited? Hi. I'm excited for you guys to with that. Okay, so my another one of my favorite episodes of 2022 was let's see it was episode 58. So eating and drinking during labor. Again, I think I liked this one so much because I wasn't too knowledgeable, as far as to like why can we not well, why are we being told that we cannot eat and drink during labor? What's the science behind it? But what is actually the research saying? And so again to this isn't something that I deal a lot with as prenatal chiropractor, because this is, again, typically not at the birth. And so I felt that I gained a lot of knowledge and insight into that and really understanding Well, this was why based on ancient or just risk medical risk management from years ago, and then have we really looked at well what is the research saying now? What are the real risks of eating and drinking? What is the evidence saying and how denying certain actions for mom can be, you know, detrimental or can impact how birth unfolds and how mom feels about birth? Yep, so I did. I don't know. I really, really liked that one. So that's my son. My favorite ones are ones you had to do so much prep on. And like, you know, getting all the information of like, I feel like I'm just here for the ride to just say, This is great. I'm like, I kind of want to know about these things.

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So I can't I have a harder time which I do episodes where I just talk, but it's so much more fun to talk about someone who you do get it and you know a lot of things and you work with pregnant people. So it's like fun to have like, I love doing the you know, work around it because it's what I do. I mean, it's in my childbirth education class, I'm talking about all the time with our clients like but then talking about with you and then kind of working off each other. It makes it for a fun conversation. So

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yeah, minds are your

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Okay, so my next favorite one was episode 64. You are not allowed to not allow me the pathways article review, which we dropped a few of those in last year, which was really fun. So pathways family magazine is a wonderful resource for

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our packet based magazine that's published by the International chiropractic Pediatric Association. They're the ones that host the Webster training. They do a lot of prenatal pediatric trainings and certifications diploma programs for chiropractors, but they also produce a magazine quarterly and it'll have birth topics postpartum topics, they'll have articles from mental health practitioners, midwives, doulas, like a whole wide range of things. So it's a really really good resource but I love their articles too. Yeah,

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I devour their, their magazines when I get my hands on one. They're full of like actual articles and not a lot of junk. So we have incorporated since we both feel that way about this, this publication as we sort of look through some of their articles and use it as motivation for a topic and then sort of diet, read the article and then dissect it on the episode. And this one, I feel like I got a little fiery on the whole you're not allowed to not allow me, you know, this is important for working people. It's not about being confrontational or anything like that. It's it's really shifting the language around how we speak to and about urging people and their rights and birth. And it's simply put, like, you're not allowed to not allow me so when providers say or when you when you ask, Will you allow me to go beyond 40 weeks or they say we don't allow you to go beyond 40 weeks or 41 weeks or we don't allow you to move around? XYZ or you we don't allow intermittent monitoring or whatever. Like that's just it's ill informed. It's not evidence based. It's taking the power out of the birthing person. And so, we are big proponents of asking open ended questions. It's not about the provider allowing, you're not allowing you it's about how the provider supports you. And this is why I chose the provider matters and how you feel about your provider when you're around them and when they're in the room because giving birth is the most vulnerable thing you'll ever do and you need to trust them and they need to see you as the birthing person as the one in charge and work alongside you. Not in charge of you. And so finding a provider that does that right and they exist so this is not all all hospitals about all of these are about anything like that. But

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just really, you have to have a home birth if you want to advocate right so

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it's understanding options within all of that. And then really, and it's a lot about like how you're taught how the individual working versus person is asking questions and how they perceive themselves in battle

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and I've learned so much from you and I think that was a big thing in this too. It's It's not a game of, you know, 21 questions, yes or no? And it's all in how you ask that question.

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And then was tuning into your intuition when you get a response. Right, and if they're not willing to take the time to answer your open ended question are they're dismissing you or they're shutting you down? Those are some red flags. And I'm pretty sure we have an episode on that too. But I think yeah, and so this was fun to talk about.

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My favorite quote from the article though it says the legal authority in childbirth lies with the women giving birth, not the providers of care. Yes, they are a team, but of the two it is the woman who truly bears the rights and the risks of childbirth or words should reflect that reality. And I think that kind of hits home like that was that article. Rachel is about to get off firing. Again.

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Yeah. Covered in show. Just want to like I just want to burst because that was the empowerment comes from really when you can see yourself as that and when you can have the kind of support that offers you that and you realize the potential and and massive,

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massive is saying Guess what? Guess what? It's bigger than birth, that carries over into other areas of life. That sounds like an episode, like a good episode,

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or be bigger than birth. It is. It transcends

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it transcends transcend that birth. I think I've seen an article like that. Okay, so my other top three, or I guess my third episode is episode 55. So this was also in our top episodes of all time. This was tips for optimal fetal positioning, because this is one of the biggest things that I do over the office. Maybe that one of the biggest things I don't know, but I go over quite a bit in the office because I'll have a lot so many moms, they're like they worry and worry my gosh, the baby has to worry because we put such a you can't birth a breech baby out into the world type of thing. When really It might just be, you know, issued to training, medical management, risk management and that type of thing, but, but you also there's lots of things that you can do as a mom as you're pregnant to do

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facilitate that optimal fetal positioning. So I like it because we got really kind of geeky and scientific with like, this is the words of left occiput anterior left occiput posterior, when it's sunny side up, what does this positioning mean? Why do we have an

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optimal fetal positioning versus you know, long term versus the short term, as far as kind of shimming shimmying out of the birth canal?

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Is that just to like, not just like a waterslide? Well, no, they just come straight out. Right? If only it was like, Whitewater. But there's other aspects to it. As far as like all of these movements that are in place all of these reflexes, how each contraction helps, like, it's just so freakin cool. So I think when we understand that a bit, that's nice. It gives us a little bit more confidence, you know, in our bodies and like how, how innate birth is, as far as you know, you don't have to read a book on it. You give birth, like it's, you know, but you can also be completely prepared and understand all of those things that we know now. But I know with both of my I wish I had had done some things differently. And so that's where I like to come out with moms and I was just talking about this in the office the other day, because the mom was like, Well, they did ultrasound and baby's head down, but he's facing up, you know, and so I'm like, Okay, this is our study side up. This is more of our back labor baby can be born. It's just not the most comfortable thing type of thing. So, but, you know, she's also doing a lot of sitting in an office chair, leaning back, and that was what I was doing when I was pregnant and not necessarily under care a whole bunch of not understanding certain things and how my biomechanics can impact how baby is and so I like that episode because we go over okay, well, how can that impact baby and what can you what can you do at home, there's so many good exercises you can do at home to really help with optimal fetal position. And it wasn't just extra as we talked about how obviously we talked about chiropractic adjustments. Other things if baby is breech What else can we do spinning babies I love that I give that to everybody miles circuit like we had made some really good resources in that one so I I liked that when I guess in my episodes are like two that I did felt so not knowledgeable about and that I learned so much from it. And this one was I was like, I get this a lot. Yes.

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And so it was what you do. And yeah, that was what you do. And people sometimes are seeking chiropractic care because they've learned that their babies in a non optimal position and so you are absolutely that is your wheelhouse and that's something we hear a lot and I don't know what it stems from or you know, if it's just negative birth stories or fear from provider but like the fear of the non optimal position, baby is is high. And so we try and walk the line of like, okay, here are, what you can do to improve fetal positioning or giving it the you know, increase encouraged optimum, you know, positioning, but sometimes you can do all the things and maybe still

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not turn into an in that position for reasons.

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So, it's giving grace and understanding that you can do all the things and that doesn't there's no harm there. Do the things if that if you're able to, but also know that sometimes things just work how they work. So I love that episode. It's a popular conversation with us. To look at the next. One is episode 50. On Friday, and then the following week. We'll like here again at how to build that therapists. I started following him Yeah. Then somehow he just nailed it because he was like, you just got to do these three simple things and so we go over those and

4:04

but it was it go by this for

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you know, there wasn't bring them a meal, you know, it was it was really good. Yeah, it was really good. And that kind of we expanded on it. We let that that was our inspiration. But if you haven't checked out here games on Instagram do because he drops just all kinds of like marriage counseling, you know, advice and new parent advice and just

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good what it looks like in the therapists world. He does a lot of like what people think I do, but what I really do and how He equips people, but sometimes again to there's 1000s of therapists out there, but there's something about the language, the manner that he speaks, there's something very funny, it's so authentic, it's so real. It's so engaging and so I think that's

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how I mean not like magic. Yeah, I got

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that. And so I was like, I want to be I want to be his friend, like, Yeah, I

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do. What do you mean, we are friends, we're friends. He just doesn't know it. We've done it. It's funny, and that's an important conversation. So the supporting people, postpartum is so so important and meaningful support postpartum. I think it's great for anyone to listen to your partner. If you're a family member, if your friend how to meaningfully support a person who just gave birth. I think the other thing we linked in that article was a great mother li.com. Yeah. About they kind of listed something. Yeah. We might use that as part of our conversation to just like, yeah, again, flipping the script

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and holding the mother

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aspect of things. Yes. So I really enjoyed that.

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That was a good one. I like our top episodes. I think it's fun that we don't have the same ones. I don't know if that was on purpose. Well, I might at first,

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ya know,

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like, if I read yours, it's gonna skew my view. It's,

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I did look at yours and I intentionally chose ones that were different. Because but and I agree. I thought, you know, I mean,

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I love all your stuff. All right, my friend. So what have you learned from doing this podcast?

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Yeah. That partnership is everything with the right person, of course. You know, I live in this world. I mean, I have a co doula partner and I have a podcast partner you

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like expanded your partnership? Yeah, it's

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understanding like what the right person like the potential and we have proven that and doing this with you and sharing the workload, sharing the thought process, the creative process, like how well we work off of each other and like lift up where the other person needs lifting or just balancing the other person out. You know, whether it be alternating who's posting or editing or transcribing and podcast to, you know, sharing the social media responsibilities and just sharing the like, emotional like, processing of wife so that, you know, we can come here and create I felt like we didn't get to do that with each other and tidbits here and there. And so I could never have imagined that I would be doing a podcast and that I would have been doing it for almost two years. And that we're still going and we have big goals and big dreams like never and it all started you know, I can't help but get emotional when I think about how it started just getting together for walks and not about birth. My talk about what's going on with you. Yes, it's going pretty well. Yeah, I know right, and how it grew and we had the courage to put it out in the atmosphere about what you hoped we could create.

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Much as I say that I did write teamwork makes the dream work because the growth that we've had has been exponential and I think it's because there's a partnership. And the thing is that it's not like is it we're both invested in it. You know, like you and Hannah are both invested in that. And so when you have people that are both invested in it, and they come with different skill sets and that type of thing, then it really can cause a great it's not like one's working for itself. You're working for someone you know where it's like you're not as invested in so you're not going to give it your all or give put forth that much and so I think I do love that aspect of partnership and teamwork and there's Yeah, I think we communicate effectively and efficiently though too. And I think we streamline that and worked on that as far as like okay, this is what works well with me or how much time we're able to commit to it. You know, kind of feeling that out so

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I thought we're balanced in the way of like, we both have businesses that we're running we both have kids and family and life and so we both came at it with like okay, we're gonna do what we can we both come in a pretty equally and respectfully of each other's time and understanding. Okay, we're doing what we can with the time and energy we have, and it feels very balanced, as balanced as it can be in that regard. And we both just get it for the other person like sex going. Someone

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doesn't like post the wrap of the episode.

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Fingers Shannon,

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when you wake up and then you look at your your Oh, my partner has uploaded it for you and you're like, Oh my God. What just happened?

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I thought you were gonna talk about the I forgot to post the social media image. No, I'm talking about what I didn't upload the episode. What happens when you wake up at 430 in the morning, like I ate that was great.

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So you know, that's, that's like give like given that take and there's no micromanaging. So it's like, no, this is what needs to get done. You know what works for you, you know, and we work well.

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Trying to control the other person like at all at all. No, it's a dream. It is a legit. It is a dream. And getting it is one of the things I look forward to most Yeah, in the work that I do. I just love it so much.

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Yay. So yep, partnership. All right, what else you got?

12:02

Success doesn't come overnight. You know, I kind of a second ago said boom, you know, you had the idea and then boom and tear and I'll go well, not really boom. It's like, like and then yeah, yeah. And then the incremental success right like for us we've got a success and then how far we've come how what we what we have achieved but knowing like, we still have places to go and things to do with with this podcast. So but doing it the way we've done it, lets me know that we just got to keep going. I just gotta keep putting one foot in front of the other and that it takes it takes time.

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It does take time. I kind of have something like in line with that though. But like appreciating the little things to like I still get really excited when I see like, oh people have downloaded our episode like you would I don't know if that's ever gonna like go away. I'm just like, oh, this is so exciting. Like people have actually listened to this even if we do have

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one. I look forward to everyone. Oh, look

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at that. So I even when patients come in and look and they say like, Oh, I was listening to the show, and I'm like that's crazy. That's so crazy. So it's like, I think too, you can get those big plans that you have right and like it but you can also just really like staying present and focusing and like appreciating those little things that come along. And looking at the time that we've put into like appreciating those little and little that. Yeah, that kind of

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appreciate where you what you've done and where you've come versus always thinking about what's next. And I think we do a pretty good job of that. Yeah, yeah. The last thing I have is that listening skills, you know, I think doing a podcast with another person especially. You have to kind of listen, and you have to think meaningfully about your response and not only focus on your response, like try and think about how you can work with another person in conversation. And so I feel like I've that this has helped me with that.

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And I think that was one of I don't know if it was one of my goals, but to make I wanted it to be there's so much more of a conversation than just like interview aspects of things. Even on the interviews. You know, this isn't necessarily the interview. This is a conversation but just going with the flow, and really that I just really liked that interview aspect, but it being a conversation, you know, and I think a lot of people too every time we've done an interview while people I was like oh, that was a lot easier. And I'm like yeah, like I want to be Yeah, I want to be stressful

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while I make when you have conversations and things come out that they weren't expecting anything that happened like with Kailen McCray is like she took a turn and Mike, you know, started sharing you know, we're all gonna share this this part like this is kind of what I was thinking I would share but I am I feel like you know, they share or they get emotional or you know, it's, that's when you're like, Okay, this is good. This is good.

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Okay, so you said like working on like listening skills. I put on my last thing that I've learned is, I love that quote. I don't know where it's from or something online. I'd like to trust your voice even though it might be shaking. I don't like listening to the sound of my voice. I don't know that no one knows that people. I don't know if I don't carry my I feel like she but I definitely don't and so it's it's more I feel more confident in like communication skills, because this is definitely it. I mean, it puts me out of my comfort zone. I may I feel like I'm like an extrovert or an introvert. And so like, sometimes I do like talking and putting myself out there and those type of things. But then other times, not so much. But then there's also the aspect of that like imposter syndrome and so still struggling with like, oh gosh, who am I to like, have a podcast and talk about these things like sometimes that's still you know, comes in and surfaces but I will say the consistency of this and having you to work with and kind of work through those skills has been, I don't know it's been really neat. So I even it's almost like a Toastmasters thing but not not like, you know, but no, it's so

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good. I love that. Mm. I think how you're feeling is normal, but we're going through it and then it's important because, you know, matters and sharing it with other people makes a difference. We have 7000 people who have chosen to listen to us because they feel like they learned something. And so that's not playing on it. And you know, impostor syndrome is real. I've been doing this for nine years almost and not podcasting, but working in the birth field and I still feel insecure in some areas, especially when it comes to like I have a lot of dialogue. In my head and I feel good about the speaking it out. See, exactly. It's kind of the same thing. I'm like, Oh, this sounds really good here. And then I you know, try to talk to you like, it's not like I had that moment and the only reason I don't sound that way because you just feel that insecurity creep and I'm like, Who am I to talk on this and the thing is, you just gotta keep doing it and and be honest and authentic and vulnerable and you're doing we're doing a great job. We're gonna do it. So good. I

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know. Look at all the skills we're working on. Yeah.

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